Judge: Seizure of cocaine, weed by cops was legal
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Rosales will face trial on Wednesday.
Rosales will face trial on Wednesday.
Sanchez is awaiting a trial date.
Sanchez is awaiting a trial date.
CORPUS CHRISTI — Cocaine and marijuana collected by police during a residential search will remain evidence in a drug case against two teens already on probation for graffiti offenses, a judge ruled Friday.
Attorneys for Michael Rosales, 18, and Jonathan Sanchez, 19, had filed motions to suppress the evidence, saying the drugs had been unlawfully seized.
Rosales and Sanchez are charged with one count each of possession with intent to deliver a controlled substance, a first-degree felony, and a misdemeanor charge of possession of marijuana.
Rosales pleaded guilty to a graffiti charge in December for damaging school property and was placed on four years' deferred probation. Sanchez also is on probation for separate graffiti incidents in which he also damaged a school's property and three businesses on Chaparral Street in 2006.
Corpus Christi police Detective Ben Teed testified Friday that Rosales' grandfather had asked him to talk to Rosales on April 14 about all the graffiti on the elder Rosales' property.
Teed and Detective Ramiro Torres said the elder Rosales first showed them the graffiti on his fence and then led them to a back apartment where the two teens were staying.
The detectives said they immediately smelled the odor of burnt marijuana from outside the door.
Teed said that when the younger Rosales opened the door, he saw a marijuana cigarette on a nearby counter and graffiti covering the inside of the apartment. After Rosales told him that Sanchez also was there, Teed testified he heard movement from a back room. He entered the apartment at that point to do a protective sweep ensuring Sanchez or anyone else there was not armed or trying to destroy evidence.
After finding Sanchez, both teens were detained until Teed returned with a search warrant. During the search, police found a bag of cocaine, several bags of marijuana, spray paint cans and marijuana cigarettes.
The teens' attorneys argued that detectives did not have permission to enter the apartment and that the sweep was not justified.
District Judge Sandra Watts denied the motions, saying the officers did have probable cause to enter the apartment after what they saw and smelled from the doorway and had followed the law.
Rosales will face trial on Wednesday. A trial date has not yet been scheduled for Sanchez.
Contact Mary Ann Cavazos at 886-3623 or cavazosm@caller.com
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related links Posted by 711988 on July 19, 2008 at 3:21 a.m.
Oh yeah, these guys are obviously winners. They look high in the pictures.
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related links Posted by 233198 on July 19, 2008 at 4:33 a.m.
Good job Judge Watts: Way to look out for society.
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related links Posted by 381322 on July 19, 2008 at 5:26 a.m.
Bwahahahahah, what a couple of punk losers! They should have put some time, energy and effort into their own education. Good job, Watts.
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related links Posted by 331813 on July 19, 2008 at 7:01 a.m.
Great ruling judge! We need many more just like it. Get these potheads/drug addicts off our streets and out of our society. Maybe, this is the beginning of a MAJOR crackdown in CC. For the sake of our city lets hope so.!
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related links Posted by 415983 on July 19, 2008 at 7:02 a.m.
Send them to Afghanistan and/or Iraq to serve time.
Thank you Judge Watts!!
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related links Posted by 445388 on July 19, 2008 at 7:06 a.m.
Get a Life! Writing graffiti proves you need help. Doing drugs doesn't help. Join the Army and see how long it will take you to grow up.
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related links Posted by 710237 on July 19, 2008 at 7:14 a.m.
What a couple of really ugly guys. Man, these are UGGGGGGGG-LEEEEEEE thugs. Very unphotogenic dudes.
I bet they didn't even finish high school. I bet they are dropouts and failed the TAKS. Anyone know them from high school or middle school, or elementary school? I bet they were mean and ugly then, too. Let us know.
What a proud moment for their mom and dad.
Thanks to the CCPD and to Judge Watts.
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related links Posted by 331813 on July 19, 2008 at 7:17 a.m.
Boot camp does mircacles for a lot of punk losers!
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related links Posted by 448119 on July 19, 2008 at 7:27 a.m.
District Judge Sandra Watts denied the motions, saying the officers did have probable cause (a) to enter the apartment after what they saw and smelled from the doorway and had followed the law.
(a) ...to what effect?...
(b) ...what law is this?
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related links Posted by 448119 on July 19, 2008 at 7:29 a.m.
District Judge Sandra Watts denied the motions, saying the officers did have probable cause (a) to enter the apartment after what they saw and smelled from the doorway and had followed the law. (b)
(a) ...to what effect?...
(b) ...what law is this?
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related links Posted by 235700 on July 19, 2008 at 7:35 a.m.
Plain view doctrine is the "effect" you are asking about.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 19, 2008 at 7:53 a.m.
Wonderful! Here we have the regular "perfect" posters stealing any social dignity they can muster from the failure parade for the day. So glad they are able to FIND SOME! Too bad they can't seem to find any where civil destruction is NOT the supplied avenue.
Really - who cares whether it's was legal or not, so long as the dogs get fed the same old grueling crap. Too bad people couldn't just learn to be civil about maintaining their own dignity instead of feeding like rabid dogs on the failure of others.
And when it's all about the MONEY, and so called "family" tough love - there's really no dignity to be had. Complete failure rears up and get cheers! Whooop whoop te do! Two down, and millions to go!
Bet many of their buyers have REAL jobs! Oh yeah! The people rule!!!
I have seen moms and dads, grandmothers, and grandfathers, aunts and uncles, sisters and brothers, all - cry buckets of tears over what THEY DID to destroy the young lives they thought they were helping. Nothing like long lost dreams to reflect on years later with intense hatred, and no family left that gives a damn.
Always great to hear another baby has joined the family that will not ever have - the full benefits of a big happy family.
Yep! This government controls are our ONLY options. Isn't it great?! Not.
Will these young men be sterilized while they are _used_ to shore up failing public dignity in these _criminalized_ times? No, but maybe the grandfather can REALLY help them now, and get back some of his own dignity in having provided them a place to live. Too bad someone in the family didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stop all the tolerating of the boys' choices long ago - when they needed the power of good family values. So yeah - isn't it great that the grandfather finally asked for help.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 19, 2008 at 8 a.m.
in response to 331813
Boot camps only make them physically able to fight battles we don't want to read about in the news the next time they get arrested. Run farther faster, and really pack a abusive punch. They will need those skills when they are released right back into the failed streets they come from. Too bad they don't get any REAL skills to build the good lives they are expected to achieve afterward.
Punks feed off of the failures of other, and yes these two look well fed, and according to your post - so do you.
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related links Posted by 331813 on July 19, 2008 at 8:04 a.m.
in response to 427774
My military experience made me a better man in every way. Sounds like you may have been "booted" OUT of the military!
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 19, 2008 at 8:18 a.m.
in response to 331813
Nope! Guess again. Real, or well trained soldiers don't depend on assumptions - they either know, or do exactly what it takes to know for sure. They don't pop off with undisciplined words, or follow through with wasting time on the illusive "sounds" of assumed insecurities either.
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related links Posted by 241862 on July 19, 2008 at 9:06 a.m.
Re: 710237
You really think anybody in school at the same time as these 2 would really read the caller?
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related links Posted by 298842 on July 19, 2008 at 9:11 a.m.
Does anyone realize that the property belonged to the grandfather and that these punks were abusing it, and that he invited the officer into the premises and to look at the apt. where the punks were "residing" and destroying property.
The officers are to be commended and so is Judge Sandra Watts.
These two losers look like they need an attitude adjustment when it comes to other people's belongings. The taxpayers have to pay to clean up their messes.
Get a job!!!
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 9:43 a.m.
Quite fugly, indeed.
Let's not forget that these aren't 'boys' or 'children', they're adults and should be treated as so.
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related links Posted by 699932 on July 19, 2008 at 9:49 a.m.
Yay! Two caught- a few thousands left! One by one gathered ,ti's OK with me! Greatttt job Judge Watts and to CCPD for following guidelines in apprehending these two ugly m_____r f_____rs!
* please excuse my language :-)~
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related links Posted by 241503 on July 19, 2008 at 10:17 a.m.
Search and seizure rules were bastardized long ago by the Bush administration. Early on, they tried to get Miranda thrown out. They even tried to challenge Posse Comitatus.
I don't condone what these two every unphotogenic young men were doing. My concern was a search was predicated on what the police "say" was a smell coming from OUTSIDE the dwelling. If the article is true and the police knocked on the door an the younger Rosales did open the door, well then, too bad, he's caught. But I suspect it was the elder Rosales or the detective who simply opened the door themselves, thus breaching the seal of privacy for that dwelling.
One of the officers even had to leave the scene and return with a warrant. That says they didn't really have much to go on in terms of the nature of their initial search.
I know alot of you are know screaming "Liberal Commie Lawyer" but look at it this way. Privacy in our homes is one of the LAST vestiges of freedom our government hasn't fully taken away yet. These officers had the BEAR MINIMUM excuse for entering and detaining those two men.
You "cuff-em-and-stuff-em" types can celebrate all you want right up to the point when an officer knocks on your door and asks to come in to 'ask you a question' and, even though you may be a very law abiding citizen, that officer finds something 'suspicious' that he wants to investigate further.
Don't believe me, ask an officer to come into your home for a 'home protection evaluation'. He won't be keeping eye contact with you, he'll be sweeping the room looking for anything that might be illegal; even though you're a law abiding citizen who would never think of doing anything wrong.
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related links Posted by 461293 on July 19, 2008 at 10:27 a.m.
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I believe he was talking about the Nueces County Boot Camp...it is a total waste of taxpayer money.
Now as far as Military Boot Camp I agree, you grow up fast in a few short weeks.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:27 a.m.
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Why don't YOU invite them over for dinner and give them employment. Your heart is BLEEDING again.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:30 a.m.
I say the credit here goes to Grandfather "Mr. Rosales".
Mr. Rosales Sr. is tired of this going on in his own backyard. If his grandson cannot respect his own family members then how in the heck can we expect him to respect other peoples property?
Spray paint cans everywhere, they mark up their own grandfathers property. They probably pay absolutely NO RENT. Just BUM off of society.
No bleeding heart here.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:33 a.m.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.
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"Too bad someone in the family didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stop all the tolerating of the boys' choices long ago - when they needed the power of good family values. So yeah - isn't it great that the grandfather finally asked for help."
What you say is on the mark. This is exactly why I have been saying that we should arrest the parents of these types of individuals as soon as it is discovered that they are not parenting.
It's obvious there were never any real rules put down from birth up.
Where are the damn parents today? They probably had these boys when they were children themselves and left them for grandma and grandpa to raise.
It's a sad state of affairs.
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related links Posted by 710237 on July 19, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.
in response to 427774
"They will need those skills when they are released right back into the failed streets they come from."
Failed streets?? Give me a break.
They, like everyone else, had the opportunity for REAL SKILLS a few years ago when they were in elementary, middle, and high school. Evidently, they were too busy acting out, not studying, being absent, going to school late, not doing their homework, not getting along with others, probably destroying school property, and taking up space in the classroom. I don't know of one school who does not bend over backwards to help kids such as these. Their parents blamed the school system and the teachers all along their years of education. These same parents were not involved in school activities or cared what their kid did or didn't do in school.
I think our country does an awesome job for all of us who want to better our lives. We have a free public education. If you are a good student you can apply for scholarships, work parttime and go to college. You CAN make something of yourself if you have the desire.
And even if you aren't college material but would rather learn a trade, there are so many opportunities out there and great jobs for welders, especially. My husband's company can't find enough welders to do the work they do. Pay can be as high as $40 an hour...better than flipping burgers. And when they do find some, then there is the problem of drugs because they are randomly tested due to safety issues at work. Many of these fine welders end up losing their good paying jobs because they have drugs in their system. It's a crying shame.
No, I can't feel sorry for these two men. And you know what? They can still change their lives around. They are young and they still have time to make better choices and live better lives.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:46 a.m.
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You cannot try to change 774's mind. This women bleeds for every criminal on the street.
I'm beginning to think that she too has kids with a criminal records.
She's very intelligent by the writings she posts, but a bleeding heart liberal just the same.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:51 a.m.
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0003 INDICTED PGG 02/01/2007
0004 ORDER APPOINTING ATTY: GABRIEL SALIAS (IMAGED) 02/06/2007
0005 INDICTMENT RETURNED FROM DA SENT TO CT SH 02/08/2007
0006 MOTION TO REVOKE BOND MG 02/08/2007
0007 NTC OF ARRAIGNMENT FEB 20, 2007 AT 8:15 AM 02/09/2007
0008 INDICTMENT RETURNED FROM CT BOND SET AT $7500.00 NO BOND 02/09/2007
0009 ** POSTED NO SERVICE ISSUED IN NCJ SH 02/09/2007
0010 APPLICATION FOR ST SUBP (INSTANTER) MG 02/15/2007
0011 DEFT ARRAIGNED: ENTERED A PLEA OF NOT GUILTY 02/20/2007
0012 DCO: PLEA DEADLINE MARCH 16, 2007 AT 8;15 AM (IMAGED) 02/20/2007
0013 ***DOCKET CALL MARCH 23, 2007 AT 9:00 AM 02/20/2007
0014 ***JURY TRIAL MARCH 26, 2007 AT 9:00 AM 02/20/2007
0015 BOND REDUCTION HRG: BOND IS SET AT $20,000.00 02/20/2007
0016 ORD CONTINUING, SETTING OR REDUCING BAIL AND/OR IMPOSING 02/20/2007
0017 **CONDITIONS OF BAIL PENDING TRIAL (IMAGED) 02/20/2007
0018 DEFT PLACED ON CURFEW FROM 8:00 PM TIL 6:00 AM 02/20/2007
0019 DEFT MUST ENROLL IN GED CLASSES 02/20/2007
0020 SX1 THRU SX19 PHOTOS ON PAPER 02/20/2007
0021 APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA-STATE (1) D/T SHERIFF SERVES. PGG 03/07/2007
0022 ATTY FEE VOUCHER TO AUDITORS ($400.00-GABRIEL SALAIS) 03/08/2007
0023 RULE 404(B), AND 609, AND ARTICLE 37.07 REQUEST FOR NOTICE 03/12/2007
0024 ***OF INTENT TO OFFER EXTRANEOUS CONDUCT PGG 03/12/2007
0025 MOTION FOR BRADY MATERIAL PGG 03/12/2007
0026 DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND INSPECTION PGG 03/12/2007
0027 STATE JAIL PACKET WALKED TO JAIL PGG 03/13/2007
0028 STATE'S NOTICE OF POSSIBLE "EXTRANEOUS" OFFENSES WHICH MAY 03/14/2007
0029 ***OR MAY NOT BE OFFERED AT TRIAL PGG 03/14/2007
0030 PLEA DEADLINE: TO BE A BENCH TRIAL OR JURY TRIAL 03/16/2007
0031 APPL FOR DEFT SUBP SH 03/23/2007
0032 PSI FILED AND WALKED TO COURT MG 03/27/2007
0033 OPEN PLEA: PLEA PACK FILED W/SX1 (JUDICIAL CONFESSION AND 03/26/2007
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0034 ***STIPULATION ONLY) 03/26/2007
0035 TRIAL COURTS CERTIFICATION ON DFTS RIGHT OF APPEAL 03/26/2007
0036 DEFT HAS THE RIGHT OF APPEAL 03/26/2007
0037 DEFT PLED GUILTY 03/26/2007
0038 CRT RECESSED FOR PSI COMPLETION 03/27/2007
0039 PUNISHMENT: COURT HEARD ARGUMENTS; FOUND DEFT GUILTY 03/27/2007
0040 10 MONTHS IN A STATE JAIL FACILITY W/CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED 03/27/2007
0041 COURT COST $241.00, RESTITUTION $5481.36 03/27/2007
0042 THIS CASE TO RUN CC W/06-CR-4448-B 03/27/2007
0043 NO WARRANTS OUT PER 81-2239 03/27/2007
0044 SUPPLEMENT TO JUDGMENT OR ORDER (RIGHT THUMB PRINT) 03/27/2007
0045 ATTY FEE VOUCHER TO AUDITORS (GABRIEL SALAIS-$375.00) 04/13/2007
0046 JUDGMENT OF CONVICTION BY COURT-WIVER OF JURY TRIAL (I) 04/23/2007
0047 STATE JAIL PACKET TO 2ND FLR. CRIMINAL FOR S/O 04/23/2007
0048 STATE JAIL PACKET P/U AND WALKED BY MITCHELL CAC 04/24/2007
0049 DFTS MTN FOR NUNC PRO TUNC 05/25/2007
0050 STATUS: HRG ON MTN FOR SHOCK PROBATION: GRANTED 10/17/2007
0051 APPLICATION FOR BENCH WARRANT FILED 10/19/2007
0052 BENCH WARRANT ISSUED 10/19/2007
0053 DEFT BENCH WARRANTED BACK FROM STATE JAIL; SENTENCE IS 10/31/2007
0054 ***SUSPENDED DFT PLACED ON 3 YRS PROBATION; 120 HRS OF 10/31/2007
0055 ***COMMUNITY SUPERVISION TO RUN CC W/06-CR-4448-B 10/31/2007
0056 COURT COST $TBD, RESTITUTION $4000.00 10/31/2007
0057 CONDITIONS OF COMMUNITY SUPERVISION FILED & SERVED 11/14/2007
0058 BENCH WARRANT RTN ANN 12/27/2007
0059 ORIGINAL MTN TO REVOKE PROBATION-WALKED BY PO SH 04/17/2008
0060 s:PRECEPT/MOTION TO REV.PROB. 04/17/2008
0061 WARRANT OF ARREST ISSUED SH 04/17/2008
0062 ORD APPOINTING ATTY: GABRIEL SALAIS (IMAGED) 04/21/2008
0063 WARRANT OF ARREST RTND FILED & SVD. LG 05/02/2008
0064 MOTION TO SUBSITUTE COUNSEL TG 05/12/2008
0065 MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TG 05/14/2008
0066 MTR: CASE RESET TO 6-9-08 AT 9:00 AM 05/19/2008
0067 MOTIO TO SUPPRESS TG 05/22/2008
0068 NTC OF SETTING MTR 6-4-08 AT 1:00 PM 05/27/2008
0069 MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE COUNSEL PGG 07/02/2008
0070 ORD ON MNT TO SUBSTITUTE COUNSEL: FRED JIMENEZ (IMAGED) 07/03/2008
0071 PLEA DEADLINE: EXTENDED TO DOCKET CALL 07/11/2008
0072 MTN TO SUPPRESS SET 7-16-08 AT 8;15 AM 07/11/2008
0073 PLEA DEADLINE: EXTENDED TO DOCKET CALL 07/11/2008
0074 MTN TO SUPPRESS SET 7-16-08 AT 8:15 AM 07/11/2008
Sanchez likes to file motions to suppress! This offense alone says he caused 20,000 dollars in DAMAGE. GET HIM OFF THE STREETS! It's obvious he does not want to get his GED as the judge asked him to do. He would rather sell drugs and run with a gang and tear up your property in the process of promoting his GANG.
774, If you look at their records, they're given chance after chance after chance and on and on.....
The government offers you the chance you need to get your act together and if you choose not to then in my book they get what they deserve.
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related links Posted by 247748 on July 19, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.
A great applause to Judge Watts , CCPD and Grandpa Rosales. More people need to be like the grandpa and not be scared of their children. I remember growing up my parents had us so well disciplined that it use to only take a look at us and we knew we had to be quiet or exit the room where there were adults talking or behave. In todays society you can tell a child over and over behave and 9 out of 10 the parent still lets the child do whatever they want. Back in the day we were not asked if we wanted to go somewhere or what did we want to wear. It was you are going and that's it or you are wearing this and no questions asked. Now a days the parents ask the child "Do you want to go.......?" or "What do you want to wear or do you like this......?" The parents need to get back in control and show their children what it is to respect. It all starts at the home. It may be a little harder when you are a single parent but IT CAN BE DONE!!!!!!!!!! When I was in school I came from a home where you respect your teachers they are like your parents you give them respect. My mom use to always say "Those teachers are teaching you they are giving you knowledge. Knowledge that no one will ever be able to take away from you. You respect them." Now in days the kids have no respect for teachers or education. Again, I have to say it all starts in the home.
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related links Posted by 247591 on July 19, 2008 at 11:35 a.m.
I believe I heard the two were saving up the drug money for a college tuition. Mr. Rosales wanted to get a business degree and open his own taco stand at a closing Starbuck's location. Mr. Sanchez simply wanted to be an astronaut, using drugs to prepare for life without gravity. One time he almost made it up to the moon, and without a rocket or space shuttle. Beat that NASA!
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related links Posted by 436131 on July 19, 2008 at 11:53 a.m.
A couple of you posters are ticking me off as I read your posts. It took a lot for my grandfather to call the cops!!!! You don't know what we have been through with my cousin!! Everyone in my family has tried to help him, but in the end he crapped all over us, especially my grandparents. He doesn't care about any of his family, or embarassment he has caused. That apartment is my grandfather's property, neither of them were paying rent or for food. I hope he goes to jail, he doesn't want to change, he still thinks he hasn't done anything wrong. Some of you may think that I don't care about my cousin, but I do. If he doesn't want help, then no one can help him until he wants the help; and he doesn't want help. So, to all of you who are blaming my grandparents, flip you!!! We have all tried and have gotten spit on by him. I will always love him, but that doesn't mean I have to like him.
I stand by Judge Watt's decision and blame my cousin for his actions and want him held accountable for them.
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related links Posted by 706973 on July 19, 2008 at 12:08 p.m.
Who gave them probation the first time they got caught damaging property with paint?????
Vote that judge back to the street!!
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related links Posted by 706973 on July 19, 2008 at 12:11 p.m.
That is why this city has a graffiti problem. Its half the kids fault and the other half are the liberal, soft on crime judges and prosecutors.
Period.
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related links Posted by 706973 on July 19, 2008 at 12:13 p.m.
Yea...who was the judge who gave them the initial probation.?
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related links Posted by 237121 on July 19, 2008 at 1:03 p.m.
It 's lawyers like who ever they had that puts them back on streets too. The lawyers were trying to justify what they had done. Did any body catch thier name? I dont ever want to use them if their going to defend things like this! Post 436131 thank you for sharing what you did. Every body has their own ideas, but its not any body elses responsiblity except these 2 boys what they did. I'm sure your family did what they could hoping they would change. I,m just glad Watts over rid the lawyers.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 1:11 p.m.
in response to 436131
I praise you for coming forward too. You sound fed up with the situation.
You think like most of us posters and want them to be prosecuted just as we do.
But it still leaves us wondering if their Mom and Dad gave up on them or if their Mom and Dad were ever even in their lives.
I know parents aren't to blame some of the time. But I have witnessed parents that just never set a good example themselves. In some cases, the parents are just like the juveniles. The minute the boy was in trouble with the law, and skipping school, that's when it was time to come in and administer some tough love.
Each scenario is different.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 1:38 p.m.
436131, I feel for you. Sounds like they've been walking all over your grandfather and as his family, that must have been hard to see. Thank you for posting.
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related links Posted by 377702 on July 19, 2008 at 1:52 p.m.
Wow, you've pulled up their records? Sounds a bit like obsession.
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related links Posted by 236543 on July 19, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.
in response to 436131
Thanks so much for the information.
It must have been hard for Grandpa Rosales to turn his grandson in but he did the right thing.
Thanks Granpa Rosales.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 2:30 p.m.
377702, you probably don't read these comment sections, often. These are public records which you can access at the Nueces County website. When stories/articles like these pop up, someone usually posts the records of those arrested and it helps us to see what kind of person they are.
It has nothing to do with obsession, so stop being dramatic.
So which one are you related to or friends with?
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related links Posted by 415983 on July 19, 2008 at 2:37 p.m.
Give each one the option of doing time or joining the military. The military will make real men out of them. Then send them to Afghanistan or Iraq. Give them a taste of life outside of their useless life in Corpitos.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 2:41 p.m.
That option was given to one tagger and he agreed to serve 4 years in the Navy to avoid jail time. I'm curious to see how he's doing and if his attitude has changed any. It's been a year now, I believe.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 2:43 p.m.
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oh, you are so funny. We think alike. That last part was spot on! lol
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 19, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.
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ROTFL - And I guess your corpse sniffing ways are perfect eh!? Quit beating that dead corpse! No you can't change my mind. It's mine. And I don't bleed for anyone, and have very firm convictions regarding everyone - especially those who think I am their target, and the "keeper of the liberal" flames that keep you all burned up too. Lol! I am the least of your concerns, and yet you bother addressing me with superficial assumptions!?
Impose the damned killing floors! Not one person that commits a violent crime lives beyond that "gotcha" moment. Not one irresponsible parent out there infesting your schools with scum kids is allowed to freely do so. Let's get the commie camps going so they can at least be who they are, and so that you can have what you want. Pristine little communities full of the well conformed, and simple minded people who LOVE unjust ""propaganda"", and work deligently at hating people.
What harm were these young men doing to ""responsible"" society? Do you think ""responsible"" society was buying their drugs??? Creating the lucrative opportunity available to them??? Who IS responsible for the opportunity they chose even existing? Let those irresponsible idiots straighten these young men out! And let the no-balls-atall Grandpa take care of his own backyard too! Grandpa had to get the police to take care of what was going on in his own backyard! My Grandpa would have used a razor strap, and they would have been living a good life - or GONE! Yours?
And there is a BIG difference in advocating the CONSTRUCTIVE influences toward the developing trends among the YOUNG, and defending criminals.
While people like you DEMAND MORE petty criminalizing of the young - I simply demand more efforts to develop abilities, and help those out there NEEDING help. Are the doors of churches open, and serving those needs? Are the bureaucratic "your papers please" castles serving those needs? Do you give a damn about those needs?
Your ways of life depend on the governing tit to keep all the irresponsible chaos of superficial societies - maintained. If your ways of life weren't draining my wallet for the sake of MILLIONS - One out every 100 people in the USA - choosing to be legally corralled screw ups - I wouldn't give a damn.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 19, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.
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Are you trying to say I got stabbed and didn't know it? Hummm... LOL! Go drink your own blood, mines well contained.
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related links Posted by 711504 on July 19, 2008 at 3:56 p.m.
Dumb...and Dumber?
I hope these guys enjoy hanging out with fellow idiots in the prison court yard. There's no drugs, women or grafitti there!
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related links Posted by 713757 on July 19, 2008 at 4:39 p.m.
We live in the same neighborhood as Grandfather Rosales. The old man deserves respect. He is a WW2 veteran who volunteered to fight in the Pacific when he was 17 years old. He and his wife and their 7 children are hard-working, law-abiding citizens. Shame about his grandson, but everyone knows they tried. Our prayers go out to them.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 4:57 p.m.
in response to 427774
774,
You need to give us statistics of just how many people born in the (hood) or (criminal infested streets) or (bad neighborhoods) or (kids that have bad parents) ..actually make it out and do right by their lives.
I really believe that many kids choose to better themselves no matter what their situation.
You cannot continue to blame the streets or government for the choices these thugs make. I respect anybody anywhere that respects themselves and tries to do good in society.
I have met many poor people that have not had all the opportunities that most of us have and even so, they NEVER WOULD GO OUT AND DESTROY OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY! Over and over again. They would never steal or treat their parents, grandparents like these two did or does.
The blame game has to stop. Each of us should be held ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS. I don't care if you live on a street with gangs and crappy parents and drugs everywhere. You can choose to free yourself from all that.
And when you get caught and put in the slammer, that in in of itself should be a deterrent. I know it is for me and most people. I do not ever want my freedom taken away. And I also want to treat people the way I want to be treated.
I do not have any sympathy for these repeat offenders. They get what they deserve.
Now, in all honesty, have your children ever been in trouble with the law? Or have they ever been drug abusers? Or have they ever destroyed others property? Or hurt anyone?
I can't help but feel that you talk from personal experience.
I come from law enforcement family, and to put it bluntly, they don't put up with this kind of behavior from family members. My parents were the type to be IN YOUR FACE and DEAD SERIOUS about the consequences if you didn't fly right.
These thugs are never going to amount to anything if they don't wake up and realize soon, that life is short and that it is no way to live waking up everyday selling drugs or spray painting peoples property or driving by your arch enemies house shooting at them.
Surely they have more to live for than that.
I just have no COMPASSION for repeat offenders.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 5:04 p.m.
http://www.caller.com/news/2007/oct/1...
thanks to 248197 for reminding us of what a thug this man really is. His picture keeps getting more thug by the minute.
He's never gonna learn till he's had the hurt put on him. (made to get clean) (made to walk around with a tracking device)
(banned from being out at night) (made to feed the poor) (made to get a legitimate job)
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 5:24 p.m.
"Sanchez's mother, Sylvia Morin, and his girlfriend, Valerie Villarreal, who will give birth to his child next month, said that he regretted his actions and had changed for the better. On Saturday, both women attended his GED graduation ceremony at the state prison in Hondo.
"He looks different. I think he's grown up a lot," Morin testified, adding her son also had college plans."
Go figure, I read this article and Sanchez's own mother vouched that he had learned his lesson. He was virtually forced to get his GED. Look what the boy could accomplish when imprisoned! 774 thinks that prison is no good for this guy. The establishment forced a GED on him. That's probably the most he's ever accomplished in his life, other than bringing a poor child into this lifestyle.
774, ......this is where it begins. I suggest that society look in closely on this child, because this baby fathered by Sanchez will be a future thug if society doesn't step in a save the poor thing.
Sanchez does not deserve to have a child in my opinion. He should have absolutely no contact as long as he continues to be a menace to society.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.
CR00070025572 10144315
County SID No. : 10144315
Name : VILLARREAL, VALERIE
Cause No. : 07002557 - 2 Age : 19
Date of Birth : 01/01/1989
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Degree of Off. MB
Offense Desc. GRAFFITI PECUNIARY LOSS <$500
Arrest Date 02/01/2007
Complaint No. 000000
Bond Req. $ 500.00
Court Date 03/30/2007
Fine $ 100.00
Court Cost $ 224.00
Sentencing Time 50 Days
Probation Time
Sentence Date 03/30/2007
Disposition PROBATION + FINE/COURT COSTS
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Entry No. Comments Entry Date
0001 s:COURT 2 computer assigned 03/27/2007
0002 COMPLAINT/INFORMATION SH 03/26/2007
0003 MAGISTRATE PRCDG AT CCPD - DEFT DOES NOT REQ ATTY 02/02/2007
0004 50 DAYS JAIL PROBATED TO 1 YR $100.00 FINE $224.00 CCOST 03/30/2007
0005 PMT AGREEMNT PLED GUILTY I 03/30/2007
0006 BAIL BOND POSTED $500 FILED 02/2/07 A-1 BONDING CG 06/20/2007
0007 CAPIAS/PRECEPT RTN FILED SCVD JMG 08/21/2007
0008 MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS OF COMMUNITY SUPERVISION-WALKED 03/19/2008
0009 ***BY PO TO COURT / ALSO TAKING FILE. PGG 03/19/2008
0010 ORDER MODIFY CONDITONS OF COMMUNITY SUPERVISION EXTEND 03/25/2008
0011 TWO MONTHS OT TERMINATE 05/30/08 I 03/25/2008
0012 ORDER DISM COMMUNITY SUPERVISION CASE I 05/28/2008
And this is Sanchez's girlfriend (mother of his child's) favorite past time too.
I feel so sorry that children are born into this lifestyle every single day.
Parents spending all their energy and extra money on probation and court fees.
Neither one of them respect our Law Officers or the Laws.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 5:37 p.m.
http://www.caller.com/news/2007/mar/2...
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 5:48 p.m.
County SID No. : 10142738
Name : GONZALEZ, ALEX Age : 23
Date of Birth : 08/19/1985
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District Court Cases
Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
12/18/2006 Date Disposed:
03/06/2007
Vol:
0 Start:
0 End:
0 Status:
CONVICTION
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Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
02/01/2007 Date Disposed:
03/06/2007
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0 Start:
0 End:
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did Jonathan Sanchez's co-defendent get out of jail early too? Hmm, things to ponder. Alex Gonzalez was also convicted for destroying property all over Corpus Christi. They were partners in crime.
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related links Posted by 701626 on July 19, 2008 at 6:16 p.m.
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Its so easy to make asumptions of how a baby's life is going to turn out when obvisously you dont know either of the parents.
A person makes mistakes and lives from them. All people can do is find one flaw in a person and destroy them by publicizing their name on the internet. WOW how smart you are. If someone can have the time to research someone elses life which has nothing to do with Jonathan Sanchez conviction, seems like you dont have a life at all. Valerie is a good person and should be left out of this. She is a FULL TIME del mar college student and has a job, she has a loving family who respects her mistakes and her descions. The baby is a healthy and happy baby who has not been exposed to any sort of drugs or bad behavior.
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related links Posted by 377702 on July 19, 2008 at 6:38 p.m.
in response to 425944
Valerie Villarreal and her child have nothing to do with Jonathan Sanchez and this Rosales dude's latest incident.
Valerie has a good head on her shoulders and has wonderfully intelligent friends and family who have supported and led her towards a life of unlimited possibilities. Get over the past and do not dwell on the future of this perfectly innocent and beautiful child; because it reality, it's their life, not yours.
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related links Posted by 377702 on July 19, 2008 at 6:40 p.m.
TEAM V A L E R i E ***
WE loooooove Val!
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related links Posted by 236306 on July 19, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.
I hope these individuals reckon their mistakes and realize crime is senseless. Now, you tell me who now in-days is'nt doing drugs
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 7:04 p.m.
LOL I knew this was going to happen.
Yes, 701626, people make mistakes and should learn from them, unfortunately, that doesn't include Jonathan Sanchez. This recent arrest wasn't his first! He was in jail and then released and arrested again! Now tell me how exactly did he learn from his first mistake?
How many mistakes should we allow people before we do something about it? We have to nip these things in the bud.
And if Valerie has such a good head on her shoulders, what was she thinking when she became impregnated by this LOSER? And don't get all huffy because Jonathan Sanchez IS a loser. He's an unproductive citizen who is setting a bad example for his child. What a shame.
And as far as "researching" Jonathan's life, which you have to admit, isn't much of a life at all, it doesn't take all day. It takes about 10 minutes to log into the database and then copy and paste and about 1 minute to search his name on this website. But I could see how you would think it could be such a time-consuming thing, it's not that easy for those who are not so bright. While I don't always agree with 425944's opinions, I think she is rather intelligent and I don't think it takes her very long at all to copy and paste these records.
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related links Posted by 319350 on July 19, 2008 at 7:44 p.m.
Doesn't the fact that both of these guys were on probation give the officer the authority to search their premises at any time?
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 7:57 p.m.
in response to 701626
Oh my heck, this is hilarious!!!!!!!!
701626 AKA Valerie, you just pulled a Dalia Brem or do you usually speak in third person? LMAO
related links Posted by ******701626******* on October 19, 2007 at 9:15 p.m.
Thank you for those who support Jonathan, as his girlfriend for well over four years now and soon the mother of his child I greatly appreciate it. But those of you out there that knows nothing about him and is constantly spreading lies about him, its not nice and very upsetting that people view him this way. For as long as I have known him he was never bad just made some bad choices. He made it a point to get his GED and with top scores in jail, doing something productive with his time instead of being lazy. Yes we have a crazy time ahead of us but that is life and please stop saying comments about the baby; he is an innocent baby and I obviously don’t think you would like someone talking about your child. Also, his sister is NOT Ashley Sanchez; his sister is a hardworking single parent and his mother is a respected LVN. His family is behind him 100% and Jonathan is willing to strive as a better person in this community, why else do you people think he would choose 5 years probation instead of just till the end of January just to be there for his first sons birth? Think about it he wants a better life and knows the consequences of going back to graffiti; he is not dumb how some people that don’t know him portray him, he will be out in a little over a week and those of you who are making a big deal about it wont even notice him, he will be too busy turning his life around. Thank you once again for the support and taking time to read the truth about Jonathan Sanchez.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 8:01 p.m.
Another interesting post from Miss Valerie
related links Posted by 701626 on May 4, 2008 at 2:09 a.m.
so does that mean the taggers that get caught and these people paint it for free that the restitution that is set to pay back will be less??
well if so thanks
http://www.caller.com/news/2008/apr/1...
Good head on your shoulders, Val? I think not!
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related links Posted by 706973 on July 19, 2008 at 8:09 p.m.
Valerie gets a $100 dollar fine and court costs? Stupid Judges. Tag a picket fence and you paint over the tag and it still looks ghetto. Replace the boards and it still looks ghetto new and weathered wood. They should have to replace the whole fence. Our Judges are at the root of the Tagging problem in Corpus. As long as a few twenties are the penalty, the taggers will continue.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 8:14 p.m.
in response to 319350
JACKPOT! You must understand LAW. : )
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 8:24 p.m.
in response to 248197
Miss Valerie attended this thugs GED ceremony up in Hondo a couple of months or so ago. She helped in getting him released out of PRISON because of good behavior.
She stated along with Jonathan's mom that "he's learned his lesson"
I just get furious when they try to deceive the public. He has obviously NOT LEARNED his lesson.
And that is a great post you caught there. She actually chimed in on the good people (college students) painting over the hideous graffiti didn't she! What a joke! lol
Oh, what oh what do we do with these people? I wonder if she wants graffiti all over HER HOME? Her parents home? Why isn't her boyfriend out working a job to help raise that 8 month old baby they have? Why is he in an apartment (fresh out of jail) already found with spray cans and dope? I just don't get it? I guess jail is not scary enough for him. He's willing to risk it all again.
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related links Posted by 411404 on July 19, 2008 at 8:30 p.m.
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Hey Goober,
Miranda is an imaginary judge made concept. There has never been a law passed that requires law enforcement to explain to some ignorant criminal his rights. If he would have stayed in school instead of dropping out to sell drugs he should already know the Bill of Rights anyway! Judges are supposed to interpret the law not create it. Liberals can never get their silly ways with law makers (democracy, it’s so darn inconvenient to the left) so they have courts overextend their constitutional mandate in order to shape society to benefit criminals and thugs. The US Supreme Court was never intended to wield the power that it has given itself over the last couple hundred years.
Funny how liberals cried that the recent ruling affirming an individual’s right to bear arms is “inventing rights not intended by the founders”. This despite the actual existence of an amendment that was so important to the drafters of the Bill of Rights they put it second after free speech. Yet they see no problem with concepts like rights of privacy or Miranda even though they are no where to be seen in the document or in any writings of our founding fathers.
The US Constitution is neither a “living document” nor is it carved in stone. The founders foresaw the need to update the instrument and the process they devised is called an "amendment". So all you liberals put your wacky ideas into the federal and state houses and see if they will pass the amendment test… Didn’t think so; just keep having radical activist judges do your dirty work.
Good news in this story is the that judge did her job, but I guess 241503 knows better than a judge. Great job judge Watts and CCPD.
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related links Posted by 411404 on July 19, 2008 at 9 p.m.
I love a happy ending :-)
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related links Posted by 710237 on July 19, 2008 at 9:26 p.m.
in response to 248197
Wow, how interesting.
I think this Valerie gal is one mixed up kid...and now she is raising one, too, all at our expense. You think the father should have no contact with his son, well, I think Valerie isn't playing with a full deck, either, or the fumes from the spray paint have gotten to her.
I bet she is one of those girls who has a love/hate relationship with Jonathan and still can't get him out of her system. Some girls never learn.
I have no hope for Valerie. She isn't strong enough and some of her posts show her in a very stupid light. Perhaps, she and Jonathan do deserve each other.
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related links Posted by 377702 on July 19, 2008 at 10:14 p.m.
Team Valerie!!!!!!!!
We Love VALERIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 19, 2008 at 10:15 p.m.
Child, it's past your bedtime.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:42 p.m.
in response to 710237
But let's give Valerie a break. I'm sure she is not on section 8 housing, and I'm sure she paid for her babies delivery in full, or her medical insurance paid for most of it, and I'm sure she's going to be one of our highly respected nurses in the near future at one of our local hospitals. : )
We're lucky to have her! ; /
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related links Posted by 417780 on July 19, 2008 at 10:43 p.m.
our kids are our future! when we stop raising our children, we lose our society! i was a dumb asx when i was young, but never destructive! my parrents would not tolerate it! I had parents, how odd? when this type of crap moves into my neighborhood, i will move!
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:46 p.m.
in response to 411404
And I love an intelligent post! : ) really enjoyed reading yours.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:48 p.m.
in response to 248197
oh lord your funny sometimes. Thanks for the smile. It's actually past my bedtime too but I just couldn't stand it. Had to see if (you) were still there too.
Goodnight, and until the next thug story...
p.s. thugs go to bed at about 6 a.m
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 19, 2008 at 10:49 p.m.
in response to 417780
or sit out in your lawn chair with a concealed weapon. : )
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 12:06 a.m.
in response to 425944
Well I posted a couple of posts in response - but found out they were posted under a different ID number that was logged on to my computer. I share. Anyway - I don't see the posts now, so maybe you didn't get to read them. If not - Maybe you should feel blessed eh! Little glitch in the CCCT comments. I know of two IDs where the posts don't show up on my log in ID, but low and behold there they are when they log on! I'll have to be more careful about sharing my computer with other CCCT posters! Wouldn't want you to be deprived! Or is it depraved?
According to your other posts - looks to me like you couldn't care less about other people's experiences. Just hell bent on supporting, and demanding your own superficial ideals - no matter how ugly the results get in the over all realities of life. Even went so far as to condemn a baby! Damned ugly! Go sit in your lawn chair, and keep your dogs well trained!
One thing is certain - Life will continue it's ""natural"" courses just like it always has - no matter how entertained you choose to be - at the expense of others - of course.
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related links Posted by 235037 on July 20, 2008 at 1:15 a.m.
427774 ... from your post it’s obvious you are still suffering from flashbacks … man those 60s’ were rough eh?
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related links Posted by 713155 on July 20, 2008 at 1:22 a.m.
Why is this a big story?
Do you think the Judges decision will solve the crime or drug problem?
Why do you applaud the judges decision that this was a valid search when the evidence regarding the alleged reasons to search is barely discussed in the article?
Why are these young mens physical appearances important enough to comment on?
The implication in these statements is that the accused are always guilty and any legal attempts to have them acquitted is ridiculous.
The first person who wants their home invaded by the police for no reason should raise their hand.
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related links Posted by 234453 on July 20, 2008 at 2:39 a.m.
in response to 248197
painted over tagging still looks ghetto. Taggers should pay to have the entire building painted or the entire fence replaced. Whatever it takes to restore the person's property to the original condition.
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related links Posted by 349783 on July 20, 2008 at 4:25 a.m.
in response to 713155
At least the judge is doing something. I definately applaud when someone takes a step in the right direction to stop the flood of gargage ruining our city. These guys even painted their grandfathers fence and lived in a room full of paint, pot and coke.
I don't care what they look like, get them off the street before they ruin more public and private property. It's not like they're going to stop. Last I heard smoking pot and doing coke doesn't suddenly make you have common sense and a conscience.
The first person who wants the side of their house painted with gang signs should raise their
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related links Posted by 331813 on July 20, 2008 at 8:46 a.m.
I don't know and don't care if this particular judge has a son in trouble. I CARE about what this judge did in handling these punk thugs. We need a lot more judges like to respond like this. If they DON'T Corpus Christi is toast!
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 9:01 a.m.
in response to 235037
Lol - Suffering? Not really the suffering kind myself. And wouldn't know anything about having "flashbacks" myself either. I have heard of them though.
Wasn't rough for me - I was barely a teenager in the 70s. I do have an older sister though, and remember her stories about riots at school. I remember riots too - but wasn't any where near them for sure. Always have avoided nasty crowds really. I remember hearing about them on the news, and thinking how stupid those people were. Go out there and get killed - knowing the crowd would be out of control. I guess that's what they wanted - to die for their cause.
Are you referring to the missing posts? They aren't there! lol! Next time they sign on here - I'll get the numbers. Copy and paste the posts MAYBE. Nah - Old news.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 9:13 a.m.
in response to 331813
Corpus Christi is TOAST already. What can possibly result with so many criminals living in one place AND people who don't CARE what ANY of the realities of life are like in CC - Even among those who aren't criminals! Even the kids are TOAST!
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related links Posted by 698658 on July 20, 2008 at 10:52 a.m.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but no matter how much a judge orders. The military will not take someone with a major criminal back ground. They will however consider individuals on a case by case basis. But that is no guarantee that they will take that person.
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related links Posted by 298842 on July 20, 2008 at 11:27 a.m.
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If you want your property destroyed for no reason, raise your hand.
Since the jail doesn't hold them long on grefetti charges, there will be plenty of criminals released who can accomodate you.
The grandfather did not want his property painted by these two morons, one being his own grandson.
He had a right to call the police to come over to his property.
They smelled and SAW illegal things going on and got a search warrant.
The two morons were arrested before they could do further damages. Now what happens next.....?
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related links Posted by 236306 on July 20, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.
people in corpus has a stigma and the wrong perception about their neighbors
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 2:23 p.m.
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To begin with - My dogs greet everyone that spends any time around my house very loudly - from both inside, and outside.
Yes the grandfather asked for help. DID you notice WHEN the request was made? APRIL! It is now JULY. What was the hold up there??? Unenforceable laws, and lacking values, or lacking dignified purpose in young lives is exactly that.
I cannot support the results of the drug war, or the impossible duties burdening our law enforcement officers. Law enforcement is swating at tiny little microscopic bugs here. I guess - Never mind that the nest that produces the bugs is massive, wide spread, and very well $upported. I am really tired of that being OUR responsiblity to STOP, and people believing that will happen by just squashing the little microscopic bugs. Or housing people like dogs. In fact that's what the grandfather was doing - housing them like dogs.
There is a lot of responsibility lacking here, and not being held accountable with ONLY the legal charges against these two "morons" - As you called them. ""Young"" FAILING lives need firm guidance, well directed, and dignified purpose they ARE obviously working for in their lives. These two very OBVIOUSLY didn't have anything even close to that. Did they have jobs, were they up EARLY every morning looking for jobs?
Housing, and keeping them well fed? How does that work toward making them develop as young men responsible for themselves? It doesn't period. Would this happen in your backyard? In your home? Not in mine.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 2:28 p.m.
" Corpus Christi police Detective Ben Teed testified Friday that Rosales' grandfather had asked him to talk to Rosales on April 14 about all the graffiti on the elder Rosales' property.
Teed and Detective Ramiro Torres said the elder Rosales first showed them the graffiti on his fence and then led them to a back apartment where the two teens were staying. "
So did he talk to the young men "staying" there on April 14th?
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 20, 2008 at 2:46 p.m.
Ben Teed went out there when the Grandfather called him. It was in the news when Jonathan Sanchez was arrested in April. It's in the news now because they are in court. This didn't just happen this month.
I don't think the Detective could talk to them after he saw the drugs, he had no choice but to arrest them.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 20, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.
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774
What would you want done to these "young men" if they get caught spray painting your house with a gang sign next?
Should we just let them sit there in that backyard garage apartment and continue to sell their dope to others? And continue to buy spray paint with intentions of causing thousands of dollars in more damage?
What the heck do you suggest we do?
And you say, would this happen in your backyard? Hell no it wouldn't happen in my backyard, or anybody else's backyard for that matter....especially if it was my own flesh and blood.
I would have interceded a long time ago. I would have called the law myself if it couldn't be handled by me. I would have taken evidence right down to the police department myself as not to waist any time either.
You also say "young FAILING lives need firm guidance, well directed, and dignified purpose they ARE obviously working for int heir lives.
When I suggested that society look in on that baby, that is all I was suggesting. That society has a chance to step in and make sure that the baby does not grow up with the same ideals that these two obviously have. That's ALL I SAID. If we can save a young life from living this kind of lifestyle, then now is the time to step in and do it. This guy was let out of jail early, told the sitting judge that he would fly right. That he wanted to be there for the birth of his baby. Wanted to get a college degree in nursing.
Obviously it was all words. He knew damn well that having big bags of cocaine and loads of spray paint cans in the house would lead to more jail time if caught.
We cannot hold his hand and make sure that his next decision is the right one. Even his cousin came on board to say that this young man could care less about his own family. That he's "crapped" on them over and over.
Again, I ask, 774, if they come to your house tonight and spray paint the entire side of your home, and then do a drive by and hit one of your innocent family members, do you suggest jail time then?
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 20, 2008 at 3:29 p.m.
I suggest coddling and redirection and lots of hand holding and back-patting.
hehe
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related links Posted by 292564 on July 20, 2008 at 7:41 p.m.
and don't forget blaming someone or something else as we hold hands and sing Kuum BAYA as we cry over all the chances they had and the poor choices they made . . .
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related links Posted by 236127 on July 20, 2008 at 7:42 p.m.
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It's all about retribution rather than an affective deterrent. Isn't it? If we make prison life harder then what have we done other than turn people into animals? Look up the stats on boot camps and SAFEP.
For violent crimes prison is all we have but the government must end this illegal war against the American people. These Gestapo style raids are primarily targeting poor people. Families are being broken apart and family pets are being shot. People are being reduced to second class citizens because they can't find decent work with felonies on their record. If they get sick Uncle Sam must pay because they have no insurance. Their kids grow up hating authority. I could go on and on.
In the name of what? To protect middle and upper class folks from the masses. When I hear statements like" They are selling drugs to our kids" it really makes me laugh because Americans are dumb enough to believe this propaganda.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 20, 2008 at 9:11 p.m.
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Again I ask, what is an affective deterrent?
And in my humble opinion, huge bags of cocaine does not end with casual use.
It also leads to paranoia and criminal behavior...i.e. burglary, armed robbery, and yes drive bys for non payment or selling in the opposing gangs territory and even murder.
If my kids ever buy drugs, I will blame my kids for getting involved in it in the first place, and then I will follow up with making their lives a living hell if they choose to stay doped up and insist on becoming a non-productive citizen in society. At least while their under my roof.... and maybe even under their own roof someday.
If you ever watch the show on cable called "Intervention" you realize how sick family members can become. Once you give them no more option's. free rent, cash, food, transportation, phone, etc, etc, then maybe you can actually help somebody get the help they need.
The grandfather of one of these men that reported him in the first place had already extended an olive leaf. Free room and board and food.
All Jonathon Sanchez or Michael Rosales had to do was get some sort of job and come home and go to bed and get up and do it again until he could be trusted by an employer enough to make something of himself.
It's never enough. These men made a choice (again) to do the wrong thing.
The police had every right to come in and search. I guarantee if I was dealing drugs out of my parents or grandparents home & property and they found out about it, they'd have the cops all over me. And SPRAY PAINT their property on top of all that? You've got to be kidding me?
That's the way IT SHOULD BE.
Grandpa Rosales is a HERO to me. : )
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.
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Oh really you are plum full of yourself, and you encourage idiocy. I said nothing of the sort that you elude to and you know it! You just can't stand the fact that there are rules to developing life that don't fit your agenda!
Like I said before - I have dogs. No way could your idiotic scheme work in my reality. And as for the drive by BS - That's a completely out of the ball park FOUL and you know it.
The cousin came on here crying about how much the family suffered because of her cousin, and how they ALL tried and got screwed. Just deserts maybe!? I can hear all the screaming and yelling. The slammed doors - the GIVING UP!
That's a whole lot of why family values have gone to crap. We keep SUPPOSEDLY taking care of the problems that result for them too. Dissect the kids mentally, label them well, and inch them through their HATED schools. Send them to overwhelmed Juvenile detention centers. Maybe 'tough love' boot camps to make them rough and tough. Then later we can lock 'em up, saddle them with iron clad criminal records while WE house and feed them - again - support any babies, and the stupid mothers too.
She wants us to take care of her cousin's already screwed up development. No way!!! They need to take care of him, and be responsible for having not already done so. Make them follow outlined time lines for him AND THEM. Guide them to the resources to overcome their own failing inabilities. Make them become ABLE to help him. Make them pay according to the ""entire"" family's combined income too. She said the whole family has been actively involved - and spit on. Include the whole family!
So there's my suggestions you claim to be so interested in. Do you still want to coddle them though the ALREADY FAILING legal system, saddle them up with iron clad criminal records, and believe THAT'S going make ALL the difference? It doesn't and you know it.
And then you want to go a step further and steal the baby - OR ELSE condemn that baby to hell on earth with hated, and well databased worthless parents. Parents you want to WORK DELIGENTLY to forcefully disable, and hate. Idiocy beyond belief, and raised in a law enforcement family to boot. You are entirely too proud. Reminds me of a girl whose brother was murdered by an ex-husband - She wants the whole world to PAY! The whole family went to work in law enforcement after the double homicide - she tried, and didn't make the grade.
Pride comes before destruction, and a haunted spirit before a fall. - Proverbs - And no I'm not a bible thumper, and am very dedicated to the truth. Too true in my books.
Let's hope we ALL work to just fall into the required ""orders"" of developing life. Enough IS enough with the well engineered, and destructive failures demanded by hatred, and pride. The natural forces of responsible family life WORK - and need to be working in these matters NOW.
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related links Posted by 236543 on July 20, 2008 at 9:32 p.m.
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I will tell you, my sons don't do drugs and that is a fact. I am always keeping track of them and know who they are with and where. I am a responsible parent.
Nine o'clock is the latest they are out. If they go to the movies I buy their ticket(s) and ask the person at what time is the movie over and I am right there waiting for them.
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related links Posted by 236543 on July 20, 2008 at 9:44 p.m.
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Team Valerie--please. What team is this that no one has join yet? Lol
Please enlighten us with full details so that we can, maybe, cheer you on. Yeah right!!!
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related links Posted by 236543 on July 20, 2008 at 9:49 p.m.
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Let the cycle continue.
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related links Posted by 294963 on July 20, 2008 at 10:04 p.m.
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uhh...say what?
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 10:52 p.m.
in response to 236127
Thank you! Plain words, and to the point - right on the mark.
The drug war is also a matter of global prevention of developed wealth in areas of the world where human rights don't exist. So we ended up sacrificing our rights so that our government could fight the all too able drug industries allowed in other nations. Upper and middle class are believing the ""marketing"" propaganda to support the drug war, and willingly sacrificing their own community abilities to fight drug USE, and lacking family abilities.
You would think the history of government involvement in flooding our own cities with allowed drug imports would have provided enough clues. Encourage our people to work truthfully for the resolves we need now - among the people.
The muddy ruts shown by THIS story are nothing compared to the drowning pits that have been ALLOWED, and even created by our government to prove the points against drug industries with actual examples of development. AND the results were very tell tell with impoverished conditions to prove that point too. Then came the actual Drug WAR against our own people.
Does it look like those nations around the globe cared how many US lives were sacrificed before, and are being sacrificed now in this stupid war? Our own people don't even care! Those people got what they deserved?! Yeah right - I guess never mind that their communities were FLOODED with illegal drugs by their own government! For GLOBAL purposes!
Now - we are all to bow down to well engineered government dependence and the people are falling for that too. And it's obvious the lacking ablilities were created by governing manipulations, and neglect. Europeans have already been through it. Many of them don't even have babies anymore. Now their nation is being over run with muslim immigrants reproducing like rabbits, so they are stepping up and having more babies - maybe. It's the common advice not to have babies here now too. I know a rich family that has a new baby EVERY year. Up to 15 now, I think. He was a pro football player and she was a super model - Both super people! BUT - I guess we can just become the more GLOBALLY politically correct NAU - Short for Not Atall United!
Much of our conditions really are just deserts for simple minded, and excessive pride. We certainly have no real protection from drugs, or thug development, and no protection from overbearing, and obviously overwhelming government either. It's really a shame that we are more like Old Europe than Europe, and more like Russia than most of our people will ever admit. Good night.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 20, 2008 at 10:54 p.m.
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lol, that one flew way over my head too. I just moved on to the next.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 11:15 p.m.
in response to 236306
Makes perfect sense to me!
Superficial stigmas have a lot of people hiding in their homes, hating their neighbors, and doing drugs too. My neighbors are a funny bunch. Some good, some not so good, but mostly respectful and helpful.
No doubt a wide ranged crew, and really amazing to study. For those raising children - it does get really complex. Our interactions really are limited by common stigmas. I don't push past SOME of those stigmas, and especially not my own that are based on firm convictions. To me there is a very firm point of privacy in our homes.
I remember after the hurricanes here when I was a kid. We had tables of food down the middle of the streets, and people working together to rebuild. Too bad it would take something like that to encourage people to get to know their neighbors, and MAYBE learn how to help and respect each other. Could end up all out mayhem like in New Orleans for CC these days.
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related links Posted by 710237 on July 21, 2008 at 1:44 a.m.
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I see your number come up and I want you to know that I do not waste my time reading what drivel you have to speel forth. Half the time you make no sense, you are defensive, and let me say again...you make no sense. You have a lose screw somewhere.
No one should bother to respond to you because you are very stubborn and close-minded. You think you know it all. Well, you, sweetie, you don't.
There, I feel much better.
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related links Posted by 238212 on July 21, 2008 at 7:48 a.m.
Sterilize!
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related links Posted by 249528 on July 21, 2008 at 8:02 a.m.
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"no-balls-atall Grandpa"
"My Grandpa would have used a razor strap, and they would have been living a good life - or GONE! Yours?"
Wow. Talk about "superficial assumptions". You're a hypocrite and if I could buy you for what you know and sell you for what you think you know, I could retire a billionaire. You're not the "keeper of the liberal flames", you're just another doofus that's a little bit too full of him/herself.
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related links Posted by 705049 on July 21, 2008 at 9:46 a.m.
They'll make pretty brides for the prison papis.....
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related links Posted by 245928 on July 21, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.
whoooo, here I am, back from out of town, ya miss me ?? ;-)
It is nice to see this tidal wave of support and encouragements plus the loving disgust and suffering related by Family to make things clean again. THANK YOU GRANDPA ROSALES ... it is awesome what happens when someone puts their foot down ... others are deciding to do the very same thing. Thanks and God bless !!!
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related links Posted by 331932 on July 21, 2008 at 10:49 a.m.
haha Valerie...BUSTED! Love it...not very smart are you Valerie..p.s. love the 3rd person action....I don't personally know how anyone in their teens can actually go and graffitti someone else's property and call that a "mistake they have learned from" I would accept marking on the wall with marker from a toddler as being a mistake because they didn't know better, but any TEEN..heck no, they surely know better...and getting knocked up by a drug-doing-drug-selling-graffitti-loser doesn't warrant any smarts either, but hey birds with feathers stick together..because Valerie is a graffitti loser too! And we'll continue to support her because I can 100% guarantee you Valerie is playing the single mother-college-student card, well, she wouldn't be single if she didn't choose a loser thug to be the father of her child! This is the kind of girl that will get knocked around and say "he loves me, he is going to change, he only beats me because he loves me!" Sad, very sad! Poor child..I hope Valerie is not raising this child, I hope sane adults are caring for this baby!
That is why people need to think about the consequences before they commit an action, because the label these thug criminals create will follow them forever!
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 11:25 a.m.
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His myspace and photo bucket MAKES ME SICK.
He proudly promotes all of his crap on peoples fences. Look at that despicable crap ( graffiti ) on his myspace page!
And what the hell is SEP? (signaling end point)? or Drugs?
He proudly calls his baby a playa. UGGGGG.
Throw his worthless butt in PRISON, AND KEEP HIM THERE!
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.
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THANKYOU! Exactly what I was thinking too. 744 is the only one full of HOT AIR around here.
744 came up with another lame solution. 744, your solution is a day late and a dollar short. The parents and the la familia is not going to do a damn thing to right a wrong now. Jonathan and the other one is grown men now.
There are no laws on the books that will make the family step up and do the right thing. Now it's in the hands of Law Enforcement.
Either we keep letting them spray paint our town up with their filth or we put them behind bars where they cannot do it anymore.
Law Enforcement is going to have to be their family now.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 11:41 a.m.
"Just take a look at this picture from his myspace, taken 4/13/08.
And they're INSIDE a house. Look at the graffiti on the walls and the blinds. Seriously, that's just ridiculous. But hey, keep making excuses for whichever one is your son. That's probably why he ended up this way."
248197......I didn't even realize that some of this graffiti was INSIDE of their home! Ugg! Unbelievable.
Can you imagine inviting company over to your home with that crap on your blinds and walls? What class.
My Dad would have tore me a new hole! lol And then called the law! : )
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 11:50 a.m.
My my......folks, he even put graffiti on his TOILET SEAT COVER!
He states......"I'm the sh--!" He even put it on the entire front of a nice brick home! In huge BLOCK PRINT! He even boasts about it being on his WASHING MACHINE! He quotes..."haha" they used this for evidence in the raid"
WHAT A LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 11:55 a.m.
He's even holding his little precious baby with a caption underneath the pic that states, "this is my little nigggga"
How utterly disgusting to call your precious baby the N word.
God save the baby. That baby will have a spray paint can in his hands by the time he's 8 years old. He will have dropped out of school soon after.
The cycle begins again....and again.....and again
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 21, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.
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There's nothing superficial about concluding the grandpa had no control over his own backyard. From APRIL to JULY!
Hypocrite!? ROTFL! Gamer. Players always play the hypocrite card when they are confused.
Enjoy the CC sewers you love watching, and adding to, even creating! Why don't you go out there and clean up after your hateful self? Your sewer runs all over town. Looks like these two boys have been bathing in it all their lives. You really shouldn't crap on people, and then complain about the stink.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 21, 2008 at 5:44 p.m.
427774, you must have missed my post. This didn't go on from APRIL to JULY! They were arrested in APRIL but this is in the news now because they are in court!! And it was in the news in APRIL when Jonathan Sanchez was arrested!!
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 21, 2008 at 7:09 p.m.
Why are you so upset about 3 months? They were arrested 3 months ago and they're going to trial soon. So what about 3 months are you so upset about?
You seriously need to chill.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 21, 2008 at 7:19 p.m.
See here:
April 14 was the day the elder Rosales called Detective Teed.
And this is from Sanchez's record:
Degree of Off. MA
Offense Desc. POSS MARIJ <= 4OZ > 2OZ
********Arrest Date 04/14/2008***********
Degree of Off. F1
Offense Desc. POSS W/ INT MAN/DEL CS PG 1 >= 4G < 200G
*********Arrest Date 04/14/2008*********
Rosales's record:
Degree of Off. MA
Offense Desc. POSS MARIJ <= 4OZ > 2OZ
**********Arrest Date 04/14/2008**********
Degree of Off. F1
Offense Desc. POSS W/ INT MAN/DEL CS PG 1 >= 4G < 200G
*********Arrest Date 04/14/2008*********
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 7:20 p.m.
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Your just too nice.
It's time to just ignore 774. What a THICK skull. 774 actually blames the good people of Corpus Christi for Jonathons and Michaels lifestyle.
And to Michael and Jonathon, please go stock up on diapers and water and food, and check to see if your grandpa needs his windows boarded up.
Forget about stocking up on spray paint and cocaine for a change.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 7:22 p.m.
in response to 248197
Aren't FELONS supposed to stay away from OTHER felons? : )
That's a new charge in in of itself.
And Law Enforcement has said that both of these guys fought the police. Gave them a real hard time.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 21, 2008 at 7:25 p.m.
Yeah, 774 is seriously on the verge of trolling. I think he just likes "hearing" himself "talk". It would be great if we had an ignore feature on here!
Team Watts!!
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 7:31 p.m.
lol, and 774 has admitted to being a women. She talked about having a baby at 18. She's a woman, HEAR HER ROAR! : )
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 7:35 p.m.
Officials await tests on man for human Mad Cow Disease
Now I know what's wrong with 774! : ) JUST KIDDING! Please don't roar too loudly.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 21, 2008 at 7:48 p.m.
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Thank you for clearing that up for me! I did pose a question regarding that. And I didn't take the time to re-read the article - thank you.
I am just real tired of the feeding frenzies that go on with these comments, and the infesting facts of criminal developments that are NOT getting the attention, much less the actions needed. What were the odds for these two before they became men, and after? In CC's inch along, mess around schools, and then on to the depressed, and abusive work market? And there are plenty more where they came from, MAYBE even in the same families.
While hate and discontent are the flourishing traits of general culture - oh well - they are losers. Don't we all wish the developing facts of over all LIFE would just be - that simple?! How many losers do we have in junior high, and high school - wasting time just waiting for their turn? How high will our taxes need to go? How many more officers do we need busting down doors and then getting warrents? How many more jails, prisons, and public workers to staff them ... on and on and on. The hate filled mess has to stop somewhere.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 7:48 p.m.
Posted by 427774 on July 20, 2008 at 10:52 p.m.in response to 236127
Take your own advise 774 below that you said to another poster. PLAIN WORDS AND TO THE POINT! Your should take your own advise!
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(Thank you! Plain words, and to the point - right on the mark.)
The drug war is also a matter of global prevention of developed wealth in areas of the world where human rights don't exist. So we ended up sacrificing our rights so that our government could fight the all too able drug industries allowed in other nations. Upper and middle class are believing the ""marketing"" propaganda to support the drug war, and willingly sacrificing their own community abilities to fight drug USE, and lacking family abilities.
You would think the history of government involvement in flooding our own cities with allowed drug imports would have provided enough clues. Encourage our people to work truthfully for the resolves we need now - among the people.
The muddy ruts shown by THIS story are nothing compared to the drowning pits that have been ALLOWED, and even created by our government to prove the points against drug industries with actual examples of development. AND the results were very tell tell with impoverished conditions to prove that point too. Then came the actual Drug WAR against our own people.
Does it look like those nations around the globe cared how many US lives were sacrificed before, and are being sacrificed now in this stupid war? Our own people don't even care! Those people got what they deserved?! Yeah right - I guess never mind that their communities were FLOODED with illegal drugs by their own government! For GLOBAL purposes!
Now - we are all to bow down to well engineered government dependence and the people are falling for that too. And it's obvious the lacking ablilities were created by governing manipulations, and neglect. Europeans have already been through it. Many of them don't even have babies anymore. Now their nation is being over run with muslim immigrants reproducing like rabbits, so they are stepping up and having more babies - maybe. It's the common advice not to have babies here now too. I know a rich family that has a new baby EVERY year. Up to 15 now, I think. He was a pro football player and she was a super model - Both super people! BUT - I guess we can just become the more GLOBALLY politically correct NAU - Short for Not Atall United!
Much of our conditions really are just deserts for simple minded, and excessive pride. We certainly have no real protection from drugs, or thug development, and no protection from overbearing, and obviously overwhelming government either. It's really a shame that we are more like Old Europe than Europe, and more like Russia than most of our people will ever admit. Good night.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 7:49 p.m.
This is in reference to the above post by 774 ...
If I've ever read dribble, THIS IS IT! "Much of our conditions really are just deserts for simple minded???? "thug development" "overbearing and obviously overwhelming government??? "It's really a shame that we are more like Russia" And then you top it off with GOOD NIGHT? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS DRIBBLE???
You must pat yourself on the back quite frequently. lol How long does it take you to sit down and pen this stuff??? : )
And wth is ATALL?
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 21, 2008 at 7:55 p.m.
425944 You should be proud! My FIRST "removed" post EVER!!! I wish I would have saved it!!! Get proud! ROTFL!!!
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 21, 2008 at 7:58 p.m.
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Oh figure it out for yourself. Unless you have no brain ATALL - shouldn't be that hard for you.
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 21, 2008 at 8:05 p.m.
427774, what do you suggest should be done to/for these two adults? We can't change the fact that they've already been arrested and have been arrested more than once. Jonathan Sanchez served 8 months of his sentence and was released 2 months early because he said he was going to turn his life around. At this point, what do you suggest should be done?
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 21, 2008 at 8:09 p.m.
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Well, I did give it a thought a time or two, but hey - not. I didn't advise the poster about anything. Just recognized a good post is all. And do whatever it takes to make yourself happy. "Your" should be able to that very well. Just don't expect it to really work well - at the expense of others. Life all too often does have ways of requiring those bills to be paid.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 8:12 p.m.
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It's not just me 774, quite a few others on here cannot figure you out either.
But hey, it's all good, your do your part for the community and I'll do mine. At least you sound like your a law abiding citizen. A liberal one. : )
And I didn't even get to read your deleted post. I was out filling gas cans for my generator if I should ever need it. I hope you didn't come down on me to bad. What did you say to get deleted? Hope you didn't resort to name calling.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 21, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.
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Just off the top - Put them to work! And pay them a justified wage - Minus their debts. I'd bet they would work doing anything at this point. AND baby's momma wants money! Wouldn't surpise me if that was the ""excuse"" for the drugs! These witches want it all, and they want it right now!
I'd also bet there isn't one employer that would hire them before or now. So unless there are efforts to make sure they do get jobs - FINE lock them up! Don't expect them to live up to the impossible promises of productive values while they are BEING branded for failure in the eyes, minds, and hearts of ABLE society.
Maybe they will come out alive. And if they do - Guaranteed they will come out A LOT MORE ""criminally"" developed, have the scars to prove it, lazy as hell, more hateful toward society, and more frustrated in trying to accomplish the impossible. With plenty of company on the streets free to roam. If all of that is going to keep being the routines for these herds of criminalized people ... either WORK to CURE the over all infections - or thin the herd!
The ONLY place to even think about changing the cycles is with the young. What cannot work - is the same old routines of court-jail/prison - streets again - with no realistic options, and no skills - and ABLE society running ignorant, uncaring, and hateful.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 21, 2008 at 9:48 p.m.
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Well, I guess maybe I am glad you didn't get to read it - maybe not. Something about guttonous ways, and of course pride - With a bit of honorable dignity to be fully honored - not taken for granted.
Unbelievable that you think law enforcement takes the place of family resolves, or is able to resolve massive development trends. Outside of imposing full forces of marshal law - not going to happen.
So what is your obsession with the "liberal" digs!? You know better really. And I am not the one to be figured out since the problem really has nothing to do with me. Since you think the same old sloppy mess we get from long term results of massive failure - now and later - is fine - Not my problem either. I just can't help but care that things are getting worse - for all of us - not better.
I'd offer a quote - but hey - measure for measure - Life does give us back what we give to life. Both individually, and collectively. Offering nothing but punishments, destructive intent, and compiled measures of frustrating impossibilities - really ugly when it does come back!
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 21, 2008 at 10:59 p.m.
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I never said that Law Enforcement takes the place of family resolves.
Law Enforcement has to step in when there is no other resolve. Especially when public property is being destroyed.
And I'm not obsessed with liberals. I'm only adament about liberal thinking being (forced) on me. I have just as much right to think the way I do as do you. I don't consider myself so much a die hard conservative as I do myself a centurist.
And one more thing, honestly, if a hurricane came and blew C.C. off the map, I'd more than likely help Jonathan and Michael with a meal or a helping hand if they needed it or asked for it.
And that marshall law thing you brought up isn't such a bad idea in my book. That thought has crossed my mind a time or two.
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related links Posted by 427774 on July 22, 2008 at 6:55 a.m.
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" And that marshall law thing you brought up isn't such a bad idea in my book. That thought has crossed my mind a time or two. "
Then this is exactly where we part ways when it comes to the bottom lines of over all facts.
I have lived in marshal law conditions (South Korea), and adamently demand the elements of development HERE - freely and abundantly available - and ABLE - to work toward preventing, and encouraging - NOT discouraging with sacrificing stupidity.
When will enough be enough with these retarded examples of failing realities? Aren't the lessons already taught redundantly, and aren't the FACTS of retarded conditions in all of our lives enough for you - YET? Where's the giant bottle of pink Pepto to cure these gushing sewers? Who IS out there making sure the young men get THAT cure?
The underground mayhem of very intense criminal extremes becomes a lot worse under marshal law. The facts of human survival - no matter how bad it gets - are UGLY period. And you want it to get worse? Great. That tells me you are more liberal than you will ever admit. Get to the center, and you tell me what your answers are - Not your excuses for having won the game, and knowing all the facts you need to know about the losers.
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related links Posted by 274667 on July 22, 2008 at 9:10 a.m.
To 436131: Bravo!!
To 427774: daaah!!! huh?
Now I ask Ya!!!
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT???
You have two rats in a cage. All the little forest creatures are happy with the exception of the "rats". They clan together and attempt to polish over the nasty appearance of the captured "rats" They jump up and down and spew garbage about how the “rats” have changed and have become respectable members of society.
Hmmmm! Lets me thinks this overs for a momentum!
They were leaching off their grandfather, painting graffiti on the walls of their “free” domicile, in possession of illegal drugs, fathering children out of wedlock, gang members, and totally disrespectful of authority or family and the other rats are trying to claim that these “rats” were rehabilitated and were on the path of holy glory? AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Now poor 436131 will probably be excommunicated from the family for speaking the truth about these “rats”.
Just a thought...
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related links Posted by 713137 on July 22, 2008 at 9:20 a.m.
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You Go Girl!!!
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related links Posted by 244563 on July 22, 2008 at 9:28 a.m.
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release some of that tension - you need to go out and "get some" maybe with 944
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related links Posted by 713146 on July 22, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.
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She never came back and responded.
Dumb girl.
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related links Posted by 713146 on July 22, 2008 at 10:43 a.m.
I cant believe all these morons on his myspace pages: "free seb", "i hate the cops that took you away". These punks are idiots, they actually think they did nothing wrong.
You know I have seen his taggings in the area where I work at. Now I know who this loser is.
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related links Posted by 713146 on July 22, 2008 at 10:46 a.m.
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Good job Val. You can actually say that that poor little baby has never been exposed to secondhand marijuana smoke from your loser boyfriend? I doubt that. The sad thing is this innoncent little baby looks like his loser sperm donor.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 22, 2008 at 11:47 a.m.
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glad you said it and not me.... : / They are identical are they not?
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 22, 2008 at 11:48 a.m.
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She just might be embarrassed. : /
Or making plans to tag YOUR house. : {
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 22, 2008 at 11:56 a.m.
Jonathon Sanchez actually states his income is 250,000.00 a year because his occupation is "He's a playaaa" : )
I guess that means he won't be voting for Obama, Obama would definitly want some of that 1/4 million bucks a year!
Oh that's right, when your a felon, YOU CAN'T VOTE! I guess we can thank goodness for the little things.
JoNJoN 5eP1 5aNCHeZ... A-FAM FRee SEP
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Ethnicity: Latino / Hispanic
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Children: I don't want kids
Occupation: IMa PLaYa DaT5 My OccUpaTiOn
Income: $250,000 and Higher
This is his myspace page identity update. He's a catholic and doesn't want kids. (I hope he knows HE ALREADY HAS ONE!)
He say's he's single.
I guess the government is the daddy of this 8 month old.
Jonothon, 250,000 K a year would go a looong way in taking care of one child. You should give it a go!
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related links Posted by 420894 on July 22, 2008 at 4:52 p.m.
lesson here; dont answer the door when the cops come knockin. They cant kick it down unless they see something through the window or have a warrant.
Sad Grampz for tattle telling, sad grampz
Chromez
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related links Posted by 248197 on July 22, 2008 at 5:08 p.m.
Ahh your parents must be real proud of you.
Sad Grampz?
So tell me, do you strive to be a pathetic loser or does it just come naturally?
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 22, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.
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another lesson here; don't smoke weed where the police will be able to smell it because (when the cops do come a knocking)....and you happen to be on probation and fresh out of the TDC, ... their gonna knock only once. Then there's going to be a loud BANG. Your door will come down instantaneously. : ) ...you won't know whether to poop or get off the pot.
another lesson here; don't buy spray paint in bulk, your going to be followed home. : )
Just as stores make you give your DL to buy Sudafed at the Pharmacy Dept. they should also apply this measure to spray paint.
I really believe that these punks buy spray paint to get high off the stuff too. You know, killing two birds with one stone.
Lesson over.
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related links Posted by 425944 on July 22, 2008 at 5:33 p.m.
Oh, and last but not least, never ever post your illegal crap on myspace!
If you ask me, you've got to be plain stupid to advertise your sorry butt for all to see.
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related links Posted by 236306 on July 22, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.
Yet, there is hope!!!!!
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related links Posted by 236306 on July 22, 2008 at 7:07 p.m.
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I'll stay in my corner if you stay in yours, but please don't say anything illegal
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related links Posted by 698482 on July 23, 2008 at 8:16 a.m.
I used to live near Valerie and saw her grow up - she was a sweet girl and I am VERY disappointed the way her life has turned out.
Her father is a hard working man and unfortunately that ethic hasn't translated down to his daughter.
Stay away from Jonathan, Valerie. He's a loser and will never make anything of himself.
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related links Posted by 713146 on July 23, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.
Does anyone know if that is his phone number? I say we leave voice mails and let him know what a loser he is.
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related links Posted by 436131 on July 23, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.
I can't believe you people are still posting to this article. I have read a lot of these posts since I posted when the article was first printed. I appreciate the words of support and to those who are defending my cousin and Jonathan, all I can say is, you just don't know what my family has been through. I just hope that everyone gets a life and moves on. Thank you. :)
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related links Posted by 713714 on July 23, 2008 at 12:09 p.m.
I'm not going to even read that propaganda. The real drug pushers in this world that Really matter are Big Pharma. The real reason as to why street drugs are illegal is that Mr Fat Cat Governmant can't tax them...Bleeping Hypocrites
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related links Posted by 713146 on July 23, 2008 at 2:36 p.m.
Everyone, remember these losers faces, that way if you see them on the street, we could keep a close eye as to what they are up to. I'm pretty sure the only time they are on the streets is to go out and get beer, buy spray paint, or tag a fence. What a bunch of little punks.
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related links Posted by 713146 on July 23, 2008 at 2:38 p.m.
I cant believe those PEOPLE (your cousin) has no respect for anyone or anyones property. Now that is someone with no life.
Thank you :)
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related links Posted by 463186 on July 24, 2008 at 10:28 p.m.
LOCK THEM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!!!!
TWO LESS MEMBERS OF THE SICK SOCIETY THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL PROPAGATES!
